Overview:
When a grandfather sits down with his oldest grandson, it’s expected to be heartfelt. But what unfolded in this interview between Greg Lancaster and David Walters goes far beyond touching—it’s transformational. In this raw and powerful conversation, David opens up about his life’s darkest moments: bullying, spiritual battles, lost freedom, and brokenness. But that’s just the beginning.
Through dreams, divine encounters, and unmistakable miracles—including supernatural healing and an unexpected courtroom breakthrough—David reveals how God met him in the lowest places and called him into something greater. From tormenting dreams to peaceful sleep, from fear of death to unshakable faith, from religion to relationship—this is the kind of story that stirs hope and ignites hearts.
If you’ve ever wondered if God still speaks, still heals, or still rescues—this conversation is your answer. Prepare to be inspired, challenged, and reminded that no one is ever too far for God’s love to reach.
On a special episode of VFNtv, Greg Lancaster sat down with his oldest grandson, David Walters, to have a raw, honest, and deeply spiritual conversation. What unfolded was a powerful testimony of God’s love, restoration, and calling on David’s life.
Opening with Love
“Oh, I love you, man,” Greg said.
“Hey David, how are you doing?”
“I’m so glad. I’m doing good. I’m so glad to have you. You know, you’re my oldest grandson—number one. And today, we get to sit down and talk. I really just want to hear from your heart—share what’s going on. God’s been doing some pretty amazing things in your life, huh?”
David replied, “Yes. He sure has.”
A Fascination with God
Greg reflected on a recent conversation. “You know, recently, we talked about how you have a personality that can be intense—like mine. You get focused on something, and you want to know everything about it.”
David agreed, “Yeah, I do.”
“I told you, that’s not necessarily a bad thing. People who are inventors are like that—they go after every way to do something until they figure it out. But you’ve got to be focused on the right things. If you’re focused on the wrong things, it can be dangerous.”
“I said, ‘David, you have the ability to be fascinated.’ And I encouraged you to ask God to give you a fascination for Him.”
“Yeah, I remember.”
“So, what happened after that? Do you remember what took place that night?”
David shared, “We had talked about being fascinated with God and focusing more on what He’s doing in my life. That night, as I was going to bed, I prayed. I asked God to give me a fascination with Him, peaceful sleep, and maybe even a dream.”
Greg added, “And then I came in, and we prayed about the same thing, right?”
“Yes.”
“You know, in Job 33, God says He speaks to us in our sleep. So, tell us—what happened that night after we prayed?”
The Dream That Changed Everything
“God spoke to me—in a very interesting way,” David said. “It was indirect, but I was definitely involved. In my dream, I was back in middle school—where I used to get bullied and made fun of. Every day, I would trip and fall. And every time, people would laugh. But in the dream, I didn’t react—I just kept walking.”
“This happened every single day in the dream. I would get off the bus, trip, fall, and hear laughter. It was embarrassing and overwhelming.”
“One day, a kid I remembered from elementary school came up to the bully and said, ‘If you bully him again, I’m going to tell the dean.’”
“But the bullying didn’t stop. I tripped again. The bully picked me up and started bullying me again. But then that same kid came back and said something that really struck me. He said to the bully, ‘I demand these demons and evil spirits away from you.’”
“I didn’t catch it at first—I was still just worried about the bully getting in trouble. But it stuck with me later.”
“Eventually, the bullying stopped. But one day, after getting off the bus and falling again, a tour bus pulled up. That same kid stepped out and said, ‘Don’t worry about it. God gives you amazing things as long as you believe and give.’”
“He walked me home, and I tripped again. But this time, he picked me up and said, ‘You’re strong. You keep getting back up. Even when you’re laughed at or bullied, you show mercy and grace.’ And then I woke up.”
Greg said, “Wow. What a powerful dream. That shows God has been with you all along, even in the hardest times.”
David nodded. “Yeah. I realized He was always there, even when I didn’t see it.”
A Word for the Bullied
Greg asked, “What would you say to someone who’s going through something similar—being bullied, feeling alone?”
David answered, “I’d say this: it’s a spiritual battle. It’s not against flesh and blood. You’re never really alone. Believe in God. Follow Him. Take time every day to seek Him. It’ll build character. When you invite God into your life, it’s like being reborn. I highly recommend it.”
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The Consequences of Pride and the Grace of God
Greg transitioned, “I know there were times when choices you made put you in a place you didn’t want to be—where your freedom was taken away. What was that like?”
David shared openly, “Not fun. Being told when to sleep, eat, go to the bathroom. Not being allowed to watch what you want or even play cards. One time, I got into an altercation over basketball. My pride got in the way. I ended up with a concussion.”
Greg added, “And yet, God met you there. You prayed that morning, asking for something positive to happen.”
“Yeah, I did. I asked God for something good, not even knowing I was going to court that day. But He gave me a feeling—like something great was going to happen.”
A Divine Turnaround in Court
“And then I showed up at court,” Greg said. “We had no idea it would go the way it did. But the presence of God was all over that day.”
David smiled. “Yeah. When my attorney said I might get to live with you, I was shocked. I was so happy. And when the judge approved it, I knew—I couldn’t mess up again. This was my second chance.”
The Presence of God and Physical Healing
Greg continued, “We went to the Gulf Coast Pastors Conference in Florida. What happened there?”
David lit up. “When we walked into the service, I was tired. But when the presence of God came, I felt wide awake. I started dancing and crying. Then evangelist Nathan Morris prayed for me. I fell under the power of God, and when I got up—my ankle didn’t hurt anymore. My head didn’t hurt. I realized I’d been healed.”
“What do you think God was saying to you through all this?” Greg asked.
“He needs me for something,” David said. “He’s got a plan for me.”
The Turning Point: Receiving Jesus
“In my office,” Greg said, “I told you, ‘You’ve been doing this alone. You can make Jesus the Lord of your life.’”
David remembered, “That moment hit me. I said, ‘I should’ve done this a long time ago.’ And when I prayed, I felt fire. I felt cold hands on my back that instantly turned warm. I knew God was there.”
“How has life changed since then?” Greg asked.
“I abide in Him every day. I pray. I thank Him for the good and the bad. I show gratitude.”
“And your dreams?”
“Peaceful and meaningful now—no more torment.”
From Religion to Relationship
Greg asked, “What would you say to someone who’s been religious but hasn’t surrendered to God?”
David responded, “If you try to do life alone, you’ll suffer. But if you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, He will help you. Miracles—big or small—will happen. And you’ll know where you’re going. You’ll have eternal life in heaven.”
Peace in the Storm
Greg recalled a storm. “Remember when I sent you out to get chairs in a storm?”
David laughed. “I was terrified. But you were calm. You said, ‘Don’t worry. If I get struck, I know where I’m going.’ That changed me. I’m not scared to die anymore.”
Greg nodded, “That’s real peace. And it’s the kind God wants for everyone.”
No More Fear, Only Faith
“There are people watching who live in fear,” Greg said. “David, tell them what they need to hear.”
David looked into the camera. “If you accept God, He’ll accept you. Doesn’t matter who you are. When you die, you don’t take anything with you—not money or fame. All that matters is having Jesus as your Savior. That’s what brings peace now, and forever.”
Greg concluded, “You can tell when people don’t have God. They may talk about Him, but you can sense the unrest. But when you made Jesus the Lord of your life, everything changed.”
David agreed, “Exactly. You become a disciple. You may still stumble, but God teaches you. You get stronger.”
A Life Redeemed
“Man,” Greg said with joy, “I’m so glad to have had you here. My grandson—talking about his walk with God, being healed, set free, rescued, and now walking in this fascinating journey with Jesus.”
David smiled.
“I love you, man.”
A Fascinating Journey: Greg Lancaster Interviews His Grandson David Wallters
On a heartfelt day, Greg Lancaster sat down with his oldest grandson, David Wallters, to discuss the incredible ways God has been moving in David’s life. What unfolded was a raw, real, and inspiring conversation about faith, struggles, dreams, and redemption. Below is the full account of their interview, capturing every moment of this powerful exchange.
A Grandfather’s Love and a Grandson’s Journey
Greg began the interview with warmth and affection: “Oh, I love you, man. Hey, David, how are you doing? I am so glad. I’m doing good. I’m so glad to have you. I know you’re my oldest grandson and growing in number one. Oldest grandson. Right. And we had an opportunity to come together and talk today.”
He expressed his eagerness to hear from David’s heart: “I want to just be able to just hear from your heart, kind of share what’s going on. And God’s been doing some pretty awesome things in your life, huh?” David agreed enthusiastically, “Yes. Sure has.”
Greg encouraged David to share openly with anyone listening: “Well, I know that, you know, I want to just hear from you and you just kind of share with anybody that’s listening right now about just pretty amazing things that God’s doing in your life and just want to be real and raw. Just talk about it.”
A Personality of Intensity and a Prayer for Fascination
Greg noted David’s intense personality, a trait he sees in himself: “And so just recently, you had a kind of personality that’s intense, probably like a lot of mine is, gets focused on something, you don’t know everything about it. And yeah, and so I was talking to you about that and that, you know, that’s not necessarily a negative thing because, you know, people who are inventors, you know, they actually go after every way to do this thing until they finally do it.”
He emphasized the importance of focus: “But you have to be, you know, focused on something and something that’s good. If not, you could be focused on something bad. And so I said, you have the ability to be fascinated. You know, and I said, you need to, you know, ask God to give you a fascination with Him. Yeah. You know, what you’re gonna do is find out all the things about God.”
Greg recalled a specific conversation: “You remember having that—remember having the conversation?” David confirmed, “Yes, I do. Yeah. Yeah. What happened?”
David shared what followed: “So we had talked about, you know, having fascination in God and a focus for God and focusing more on what God’s going to do with my life and where He and what He’s trying to tell me. Stuff like that. And later that night, as I was going to bed, I prayed for a fascination and a peaceful sleep and maybe a dream.”
A Dream That Spoke Volumes
David continued, explaining how their prayer took shape: “And then you can’t—so you just ask God already. Yeah, and that’s God already. And then you came in and we prayed about the same thing. Pretty much fascination. Maybe a dream. You know, God says in Job 33 that He does speak to us in our sleep.” Greg affirmed, “ Does God speak in your sleep?” David replied confidently, “Yes, most definitely.”
Greg prompted David to share more: “So tell us, you know, this whole what happened in this after that prayer that night when you went to sleep? What did God do?”
David described a vivid dream: “Oh, God spoke to me in a very interesting way, you know, like it kind of was indirect, but it involved me. So I happened to be in my dream. I went to sleep, of course. And in my dream, I was in school. I was back in middle school. And so when I was in middle school, I was always getting bullied, made fun of.”
He elaborated on the recurring theme: “And there’s so many things I dreamed—has been bullied and all that. And, yeah, and like, these kids who just never stopped messing with me and, like, I would keep tripping and falling and everybody just in the dream—yeah, in the dream, I’d trip and fall and everybody would make fun of me and I would laugh or joke about it, and I just—I just walk away and I just keep going. I wouldn’t listen to any of it.”
The dream intensified: “It’s what’s going on in the dream. And then it happened. Every day. Every day of school. I tripped and fell. Every time I got off the bus, I tripped and fell. Every time I walked, I tripped and fell.”
Greg asked, “And so what were you feeling there in those times?” David admitted, “I mean, I felt embarrassed. I felt—I mean, I felt like overwhelmed and irritated. Of course, like anybody feels when they trip and fall and people laugh.”
A Turning Point in the Dream
David continued, “Right. I mean, so I had, you know, I was going back to school the next day and same time every day, a kid would come up to me while we were changing classes and even bully me. And so in this dream, one day, a kid that I remember from elementary school came up to me. And this is all in a dream now. Yeah, it’s all in the dream.”
He described an unexpected ally: “So, like, a kid I knew in school that I knew he was in middle school now. And he came up to me and the bully, and he told the bully, if you keep bullying him or if you bully him again, I’m going to go and tell the dean.”
But the bullying persisted: “And so the next day, I thought it was going to be all okay. And I thought he wasn’t going to bully me, but the kid came back and bullied me. And so this time I tripped and fell. And then he picked me up, started bullying me again.”
Then came a pivotal moment: “And so whenever he started bullying me, I found the kid, same kid that I knew from elementary school. He walked up to him again and he said—this is what really caught me—he said, and in God’s name, I demand these demons and evil spirits away from him.”
David reflected on his initial reaction: “And the kid just—I was like, no, just give me another chance. Please don’t go tell the dean. That’s all I was worried about. I didn’t even catch on to what he had said, okay? And so, like, whenever he said that and just felt like he shouldn’t have told—he shouldn’t go tell the dean, I feel like he should give him another chance. I felt—I felt like giving him mercy and grace, you know, like, and I feel like that’s what a lot of people have done for me nowadays, just showing mercy and grace for me and so is God.”
Mercy, Grace, and a Mysterious Tour Bus
The dream took another turn: “But in the dream, the kid the next day didn’t bully me, but when I got off the bus, I tripped and fell off the bus. Everybody just laughed and made fun of me. Rolled down the windows, threw paper on me, things like that.”
Then something extraordinary happened: “And—and then a tour bus pulled up, like a big, like, some famous person tour bus, you know, like they—they pull up in those things, and this kid got out and I’m like, where’d you get the tour bus from? He says, don’t worry about it. He says, because God gives you amazing things as long as you believe and give.”
David continued, “And so I mean, whenever we were—and then he started to ask if he could walk me home and I said, yeah, sure. And so we were walking home and I tripped and fell and he helped me back up. He didn’t laugh. He didn’t make fun of me.”
The kid offered encouragement: “And—but what he did say was, you’re strong, you keep falling, you keep getting back up, you keep hurting yourself, you keep getting laughed at, you keep being bullied. And even when you’re getting bullied, you gave the kid mercy and grace and you just don’t respond to none of the negative stuff that people say to you. But you fall into negative stuff all the time. But I see you as you trip and fall and you just get back up. You’re a strong guy. You can keep going, just keep believing.”
The dream concluded powerfully: “And I tripped and fell again, he picked me right back up and said, you got this, dusted me off. And after that contributed more. And that’s when the dream ended, as powerful as it was.”
God’s Presence Through the Stumbles
Greg reflected on the dream’s significance: “And what a fascinating dream when you’re asking God to speak to you because it has been a journey in your life and you’ve been asking God about—to help you understand, you know, your life and what’s taken place and what has happened.”
He connected it to Scripture: “And I think one thing that dream does when you think about it, because, you know, the Word of God talks about Scripture, talks about that—that everybody stumbles, even the righteous stumble, but they get back up again. The peers, the people who stumble and don’t get back up again, they get defeated.”
Greg marveled at God’s awareness: “But it’s God—I mean, it really shows that God was aware, has been aware of your life for your whole life, right? I mean, He’s been seeing all these things taking place in that. Fascinating. What do you think about that when you think about, well, God, You were there all along. You saw all this stuff happening when I thought maybe I was alone in this. How does that make you feel?”
David responded, “I mean, amazing. When I noticed all that, He was always there. I mean, it made me feel like, wow, how did I miss this, alright? But at the same time, it makes me feel grateful and happy that I know somebody is there, you know? And I didn’t think anybody was there.”
Encouragement for the Bullied
Greg asked David to speak to others facing similar struggles: “So what would you say to somebody right now that they’re going through that situation and they’re being bullied? You know, when you’re being bullied, you feel all alone because it literally is a spiritual attack. Like the Lord told you, it’s a demonic attack getting hold of someone. And the enemy is using that person to come against you. And so that’s happening all over the place right now. What would you say right now if you were talking to that person?”
David offered heartfelt advice: “It’s—man, if I look in that camera right there and just tell them, what could you say to encourage them now that you know about God, God’s aware and how you’re abiding with God now and the good things that have happened, what would you say to them? Well, the first thing I would say is even if you’re being bullied, it’s a spiritual battle. It’s not a battle between flesh and blood. It’s just these people that are insecure spiritually.”
He continued, “And so when—when you feel like you’re all alone, you’re really not. You just got to believe and you’ve got to follow God and you got to—it’s not—it’s not a pretend game. You just got to abide. You’ve got to follow what God says. You’ve got to listen. You got to take time out of your day just to do those kinds of things.”
David emphasized transformation: “And—and once you have God in you, it’s like building character. It’s like building a whole new you. And whenever you first invite God into your heart, it’s like being reborn and I recommend it.”
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A Loss of Freedom and a Lesson Learned
Greg shifted the conversation to a challenging time in David’s life: “I know that, you know, backing up a little bit, you know, when you know that, you know, choices that you made in your life had put you in a particular place that you didn’t necessarily want to be. And—and that’s prior to you having this discernment of understanding what you were wrestling against all those different times. But because of your actions, it put you in a particular place and—and your freedom was taken away from you in that place.”
David agreed, “Yes,” and Greg asked him to elaborate: “And tell us a little about—about that, what that’s like.”
David described the experience: “Well, first thing is, it’s not fun having no freedom, being told when to go to the bathroom, when to go to sleep, when you turn out lights, what book you have to read or not be able to choose what kind of TV show you want to watch or not be able to play cards. If somebody else is playing and they don’t want to let you play at all or getting a concussion because somebody wants to play basketball and they don’t let you play.”
Greg asked, “So what happened with that situation?” David explained, “Well, I mean, it was more of my pride that got in the way. But I had gotten into an altercation with a kid because he was wanting to play basketball. And, you know, when—when he asked, I said—asked for the aggression. And I said, you know, I acted like a parent.”
He reflected on his mistake: “And I mean, I didn’t know it at the time, right? But I understand. I told him to take a turn. Can you just hang on a minute? We’re almost done, right? It was kind of like—it was kind of like treating him like he was a baby or something, right? And I noticed that because, I mean, you talked about it, right? But afterwards.”
Greg added context: “Yeah. Yeah. And so—and it was already—he was in lockup too. Yeah. And so that really stirred up something in his life, right?”
David recounted the consequence: “Yeah. And so what did he do when you weren’t even looking? When I wasn’t looking, he hit me right in my eye. I hit my head on the wall. And then after I was out, I don’t know what happened after that and got a concussion and that—and that—it’s just terrible decisions.”
He concluded, “Decisions that we make do affect our future. I mean, it’s very important. But being alone in those decisions is really rough.”
A Grandfather’s Efforts and a Morning Prayer
Greg shared his efforts to support David: “But I know—and so, you know, I was trying to get to see you or, you know, the timings and all that type of stuff and that I had literally reapplied to be a chaplain again, to be able to get in to see you so we could talk and that type of thing. And I finally got all that stuff through.”
He mentioned a key figure: “And Sergeant Derrick Grice, you know, had let me know that he was keeping an eye on you. And after that situation, because I didn’t know prior to that. And so I finally got the chance. I’m coming down to see you and I don’t know what’s going to happen. And I’m just—just praying as I get to go ahead in there.”
Greg asked, “And you were praying that day too, weren’t you?” David replied, “And I was talking to God that morning, hadn’t even got off the bed. They hadn’t even turned the lights on telling us to get up. I was just up and I had gotten my head up. I barely opened my eyes. I was like, God, I need something positive today. I need to be able to get out of this place. I don’t deserve this—I mean, I deserve it, but I don’t need it. It’s not what I need. It’s not what I saw was meant for me.”
Greg noted the uncertainty: “And so—but you didn’t know that you were going to court that day. You had no idea.” David confirmed, “I had no idea. You had no idea how it was going to go. It could literally—you could have gone into deeper, deep into lockup or—and I could have gone to a whole lot of anger. I could have gone into an even worse place.”
A Feeling of Hope and a Courtroom Miracle
David shared a moment of divine reassurance: “So—but after I finished praying, God gave me a feeling that was a really good feeling. He gave me a feeling that something great was going to happen to me. He didn’t tell me what it was, but He told me when I was—He said something good was going to happen at court, alright? And so He didn’t tell me what it was. He didn’t tell me how it’s going to turn out.”
He decided to trust: “And so I was like, okay, I’ll just go with the flow. I’m not going to ask any questions.
Greg mentioned a resource he’d provided: “So—and you were reading at the time. I’d given you through Sergeant Grace the book Blessed and Unstoppable. Yes. And you were getting new language in your heart and in life and getting a positive vision.”
He described visiting David: “So, you know, I find out I go to see you and they wouldn’t let me touch you because you were still in juvenile detention [jail for juveniles]. We had to talk at a distance, you know, and that kind of thing. And—and while I was there, you know, meeting with you, when we finished talking, I was leaving.”
Greg began to share about the power of God and the testimonies of God’s glory and the impact it had on the fathers, sons, fatherless sons, and mentors in the detention facilities, managers, the Captain’s office, as he said, “And it was just powerful. We’re talking about the—the Next Step Outback Father and Son Camping Trips, you know, and the glory of God and the power of God and just—God was in that moment. It’s like God’s doing something.”
A powerful moment followed, Greg goes on to describe: “I went to go with Sergeant Grice to meet the leadership, and Grice took me to the Major and the Captain of the detention facilities office. And we’re meeting in the office right close to where we met. And the glory of God, the honey-thick presence of the glory of God fell in that office, and the Major was crying, Sergeant Grice—we all began to weep in the glory presence of God. And just the presence of God just came there.”
He learned of David’s court date: “And that’s when I find out you’re going to court. We’re talking and I’m thinking, you know, and Sergeant Grice says, I could be at the court. I’m like, well, yeah, I’m going to be there. I’m going to go over to the courts.”
In the courtroom, hope emerged: “I go and I’m sitting waiting for the court doors to open up and there’s people all out there everywhere. And—and I saw your mother, my daughter Megan Walters there, and I didn’t know she was going to be there. And I heard, my daddy, and I’m like, there’s hope.”
Greg coordinated with David’s mother and attorney: I went and we sat together and the attorney came up and was talking to your mother. So it’s your attorney, your mother, and me. And I started talking to the attorney as—or anyway that, you know, he could—he could be released to me. And the attorney says, well, I don’t see any problem with that.”
The possibility took shape: “This is totally up the judge—okay, if it’s okay with your mother to be released. And that was just totally new, had no idea that that was even a probability.”
A Judge’s Decision and a New Beginning
Greg described the courtroom scene: “And so we go into the courtroom and we’re in there and you’re up in that—the judge’s situation over there and there’s other attorneys here and attorneys here and just counselors all over the place and—and your mother is here beside me in the audience, and you’re sitting up there.”
He advocated for David: “And when I went out and talked to the—to the attorney over here—would you be the prosecuting attorney or whatever—the attorney—the attorney—then they said that it can be done. And when I came back and told your mother, I said, they said it can be done. Your mother, once she heard that I was open to taking you home with me if the judge allowed it broke out with a loud cry that echoed throughout the courtroom in tears saying “this is an answer to my prayers.”
Greg asked David about his experience: “And—and when you were talking to the judge about that, you know, what happened? What was that like when you were sitting there and what did the judge ask you?”
David recalled, “Well, before I had seen the judge, my attorney came in to talk to me. He said, how would you like to live with your grandfather? And I was like, what? And I didn’t hear it twice because I didn’t believe it. I was like, what? And he told me and I was like, I would love that.”
He felt a surge of joy: “I mean, it’s better than where I’m here—it’s way better than anything I could possibly—I mean, it’s probably best. And I mean, I was ecstatic. I mean, I was so happy, like when I got to the judge’s, like, seating that we had to sit in, like, I was like, I’m—I’m just going to hope he says yes, right?”
David seized the opportunity: “And so when he said, I can do that, I said, I’m going to say I’m not going to mess up because this is my answered prayers. I can’t come back here. This is not what I’m for, right? This was like a God moment.”
Greg marveled at the timing: “Just none of us had any idea what God was going to do, but we were right in the middle of a conference at that time. We were in Alabama at a—we were in a pastors’ conference at the Gulf Coast Pastors Conference with Pastor John Kilpatrick and others, and that was the day.”
A Healing Encounter at the Conference
Greg recounted the logistics: “So I wan’t David to go home with me—and that happened right there. I’m like, wow, you know, Dave is going to be with us. This is wonderful, you know, it’s all of us are going in. And so it takes a while to get released. And so I headed to Alabama to be able to go to the pastors’ conference while they were getting ready.”
He returned for David: “And I said, well, I’m going to be back, you know, and it wasn’t till midnight that they had you ready, right? We had to go back to pick up something else. Yes, but we are—but I came back from that pastors’ conference to pick you up and we had a little bit of sleep the next day and we took off back to Alabama to the pastors’ conference in Florida.”
At the conference, God moved: “We’re in Florida and we got there. And what happened at the—because the presence of God showed up. The Lord God showed up and it was powerful. Yet, you still had this concussion, you had this injury and your ankle and—and you’re coming out of this whole pressure situation and what happened there to you?”
David described the transformation: “Well, I was tired when I walked into the building, but when the presence of God showed up, I felt like I was wide awake. I was—I was happy. I was dancing. And then I started crying. And I felt like it started raining outside too. And I felt like the rain was in my tears. And it was—it was great.”
An evangelist played a role: “Whenever—was the pastor named Nathan? Well, the one you had met, Nathan was the one—the evangelist was there. Yes, he is. He was—Nathan Morris. He was going around, you know. Well, he—he ministered and ministered and started praying for folks.”
David felt compelled to act: “And so he’s coming your way. And he was praying. He was praying for a lot of people. And—and eventually he came my way and I was like, something told me, you need to step out there. So I stepped out there, walked into the middle aisle and he prayed for me.”
The power was tangible: “And like, just like everybody else, I fell down. Wow. It was—it was so powerful that I fell and I didn’t want to get up, right? And then I started, like, my—my left leg was shaking. My head started, like, my head started, like, tingling a little bit. It was—I mean, it was pretty cool. I mean, like, God’s power is—Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was nice.”
Physical Healing and a New Perspective
David noticed a miracle: “And so whenever I got up, I was like, wait a minute, my ankle doesn’t hurt. I’m like, over here moving back and back and forth on his foot. I’m like—because your ankle was injured, right? You’re talking about that injury. I had a sprained ankle from trying to be a professional soccer player, trying to show off—show off pride, but it doesn’t work out like that.”
He realized more: “And I probably got to nowhere. But I had a—I was—I was going back and forth on each foot and I was like, why doesn’t my—even hit me—my head didn’t hurt. The lights weren’t hurting my eyes. And I was like, wait a minute, is this possible that God could have done this to me?”
David reflected in awe: “And I just sat there, cried and pondered about it, and wondered, like, I would have never thought. It was pretty cool. It was in His plans to heal you, to love you, to have you experience His presence.”
Greg asked, “What do you think God’s saying to you through all this?” David responded, “And I was like, it’s just amazing the things that God is doing in your life. You’re saying He needs me for something? Yeah, He needs you to do something.”
Making Jesus the Lord of His Life
Greg noted David’s new life with them: “I know this—that, you know, of course he came to live with us and it’s been—it’s been an exciting journey and that. But we realize at some point you got a couple of crisis moments and we, you know, obviously we can go on to church and we have and dreams and—or different things of that nature.”
He recalled a pivotal conversation: “But when we were talking in my office in the studios, I was talking to you with Pat Hamilton who was there with us. And I realized that all the things that you’ve been doing in your life, the reason why it’s been so hard with all the—all of my heart was, you were doing it alone. ”
Greg pointed to the root issue: “You wouldn’t have—you would—you did not yet make Jesus Christ head of your life. So it was like—it was like—it was like—no wonder you’re getting defeated or tripping because you’re doing it alone. ”
He offered a solution: “And it was that moment that I said—that’s why I told you—I said, listen, you’ve been doing this alone. This is what’s going on, and that you don’t have to do this alone anymore. That you can make Jesus Christ the Lord of your life.”
Greg asked David to share: “You remember that moment? Talk to us about that moment when he’s so ingrained and he said, you need to stop doing this alone. You need to accept—like, where do you want to be? Accept Jesus in your life?”
David agreed wholeheartedly: “And I was like, man, that’s right. That was like, I should have done this a long time ago. And so, I mean, he came over there, started praying for me, and I was—I felt like I was on fire again, you know, too.”
Greg highlighted David’s repentance: “But one—it’s one thing—when you began to pray, your repentance was so sincere. You know what I’m saying? Because as soon as you started asking God to forgive you, that moment with you and God was just a powerful moment. You began to weep. You could tell your heart was broken over it, and that’s when God’s presence just kind of just—just surrounded. It was pretty hot with God’s presence, right?”
David described the sensation: “What did it feel like? I mean, I felt cold hands touch my back. Yeah, but as soon as they touched my back, they were—they were cold no more, right? They were warm. They felt just like my back and I mean—I felt relieved. I felt like, yeah, I feel like, hey, I just did something that I should have done, right?”
He added, “And I did something that is amazing, you know, something that I’ve been needing and something that can really help me.”
A Transformed Life and Dreams
Greg asked about the changes: “So how have things changed now since you’ve made Jesus Christ the Lord of your life?” David replied, “I mean, it’s a whole different—well, now I abide every day. I pray. I thank Him for the good things and thank Him for bad things that teach me lessons. I thank Him for the family I have. I show gratitude. ”
Greg inquired about David’s dreams: “Well, how about your dreams? Now it’s all—you have—having dreams, like, in tormenting situations prior to God. And now you’re having awesome and fascinating dreams, right?”
David confirmed the shift: “I mean, I used to have these dreams that I can never remember, but I know you wake up sweating or fighting or yelling in my sleep at night, and people would tell me I talk in my sleep a lot, but I’ve been having so many good dreams lately, I can’t even—I can remember every one of them. I can’t even say I’ve had a bad dream for the past week. It’s so exciting, you know?”
A Message to the Religious Yet Uncommitted
Greg prompted David to speak to the audience: “And I know one—I want everybody to hear about this fascination moment that we talked about in your life. But I want to say this—what would you say? Look in that camera right there and you’re—you’re talking to people right now that are watching and listening. And they’ve been religious, but they haven’t made Jesus Christ the Lord of their life yet.”
David offered wisdom: “Well, first thing I had noticed is that if I don’t do this alone—or if I do do it alone, I’m going to be in a lot of pain. I’m going to have a lot of suffering. I’m going to keep getting in trouble. I’m going to keep showing up.”
He encouraged everyone to make a decision: “And so, I mean, if you do accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior into your life and into your heart, and I mean, He’ll just—He’ll help you out. He’ll do things for you. I mean, He’ll do so many good things that you probably can’t keep track of. But I mean, He does some of the best things.”
David emphasized God’s impact: “Even small things are the best things and even the bigger things seem so small, but they’re so big. I mean, any miracle is the same to me. It’s the same because, you know, a miracle is a miracle. A miracle brings things to you. But it’s not—it’s not about miracles. It’s about knowing that God can help you now.”
He pointed to eternity: “You can get the help from God and knowing that where you’ll be going is probably the best part about it. Knowing that where you’ll be going is going to be heaven if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.”
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David Thought He’d Be Struck by Lightning
Greg recalled a stormy day: “Tell them about the situation—it was stormy and there was lightning coming around my office. And you were dressed for the weather out there. I was. And so I asked you to go out there and pull in some chairs, right? What was going on? What was happening?”
David described the scene: “It was during that tropical storm. And boy, how was—how my heart was beating so, so much—loud. And it was like lightning, thunder everywhere. It was—it was great. I mean, I had—it was great only because you told me something that really helped me out.”
Greg asked, “Well, what were you doing before I told you that?” David admitted, “But before you told me that, I was running to get some chairs—to get some chairs out of the way. What were you doing? I was scared that—I was scared to die.”
Greg acknowledged the fear: “Many people are scared to die, David. Yeah, because they don’t know where they’re going to go. I mean, so many people say, why are they so scared? But it’s real, though, isn’t it?”
David agreed, “It is. It’s just that natural fear. I mean, but now that I notice that Jesus is in my life, I know—so why be scared?”
He reflected on courage: “I mean, if you’re willing to do things for God and you’re willing to do all these things for God, I mean, you’ve got to be willing to die for God too, right? He says, unless you pick up your cross and follow Him, you can’t have a part of Him. It’s like dying to ourself.”
Greg shared his calm assurance: “But I know that, you know, lightning was popping around and you had—and I was just calm and—and what did I tell you? I said, don’t worry—ever knows where he’ll be if he is struck by the lightning? Right. And it’s so wonderful having that peace.”
A Final Word to the Fearful
Greg urged David to address those living in fear: “There’s people right now, there’s their lives—they won’t say they’re terrified. They’re actually—you’re probably angry or something. The truth is they’re just terrified that—that they may die and it’s because they don’t know God. Greg tells David, —talk to the camera. Talk to that person, tell them they don’t have to be afraid anymore if they—that fear can go when they make the decision, because you’ll know where you go, because it’s eternal. You live forever—tell them.”
David spoke directly: “No—so, I mean, one thing I definitely have to say is when you accept God and God always accepts you no matter who you are. I mean, if you have Jesus and you do all that, as long as you’re staying with Him and you’re doing everything that the Bible tells you to do, everything that you’re supposed to do, anything that you feel is right for God and anything like the best—the only thing you can do when you die, you can’t bring anything with you.”
He emphasized simplicity: “You can’t have anything in your pocket. You can’t say, oh, I was rich, I did this for you, I did that for you. The only thing you can do is say, well, I had Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and God will let you in. I mean, there’s no other way in. I mean, you can’t carry all these riches, all this fame, anything.”
David concluded with assurance: “I mean, when you die and you know now you had Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, everything is going to be alright.”
Greg affirmed, “That’s awesome.”
Reaffirmation and a Life Made Easier
Greg added, “And God even sent two ministers in training to our home one day and they just—to reaffirm that, right? Yes. But there’s nothing that we can do outside of just accepting Jesus’s finished work on the cross for us, that He died for us—so much God loves us that He gave His son for us. Life’s so much easier with Him, isn’t it?”
David agreed, “Yes, it is.”
Greg observed, “Isn’t it amazing how frustrated people are who don’t have God? I mean, they talk about God, but it’s like I don’t see God there. It doesn’t seem peaceful to me. I know how that is because I’ve gone through that same thing.”
David related, “Yeah, I mean, it’s really not peaceful when you don’t know God—you think you know God, but you don’t see or have God in your—in your heart, your mind, body, or soul. So many people that they know about Him, but they don’t know Him like you know Him.”
Greg explained the journey: “And of course, once you make Jesus Christ the Lord of your life, you begin to learn about Him. Yeah. So it’s like an automatic knowing—everything you got to learn. Yeah, it’s called discipleship and that—and that—He says, you know, that we may trip, we may make mistakes or whatever. But His grace for that and that God teaches us and we get stronger and stronger, you know, as we do that.”
A Grandfather’s Pride and a Grandson’s Testimony
Greg wrapped up the interview with gratitude: “Well, man, I’m so glad to be able to have you on—having my grandson on talking about his walk with God and being healed and being free and rescued and—and that, you know, all these things that—that this fascinating journey that God has begun with you and sharing things with you and God’s just merciful.”
He closed with love: “Oh, I love you, man.”